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Comments on ‘A Brief History of the Iranics - Part II’
an Iranic at July 24, 2004 05:17 PM:
Dear Author, I was just wondering if your name is Iranic.
eswin at July 24, 2004 06:28 PM:
Actually my first name Eswin is a version of the old english Oswin, meaning something like "friend of the heathen God" and Oakman means literally 'the man of the oak tree'. Thus my name is Anglo-Saxon and thereby Germanic not Iranic.
sirius at July 24, 2004 06:59 PM:
Eswin, Can you give us a sense of the ordinary people's life style in ancient Iran and compare it with other nation's life style?
an iranic at July 24, 2004 07:13 PM:
ďfriend of the heathen GodĒ: If Iím not mistaken the crusaders were calling muslims, the heathens, right? Heathens are those who donít believe in the god of the bible. I mean no offence but it sounds a strange name.
Fravartish at July 24, 2004 08:17 PM:
I suppose, what our friend Eswin meant by a "heathen God" is that he wanted to emphasize a non-christian god. So (Eswin correct me if I am wrong) "Oswin" means simply "friend of God". The component "Os" is derived from the Old English language and means "God". The Old English "Os" is related to Scandinavian "As" (Icelandic "Assur") and ultimately stems from the Proto-Germanic "Ansuz". "Ansuz" is in turn related to the Proto-Iranic "Asura"(which became the Persian Ahura)!
Eswin at July 24, 2004 10:59 PM:
You are completely right Farvartish, and you certainly must be a linguist. The 'god' part of the name pre-dates Christianity concerning its origin.
Mohammad at July 25, 2004 12:02 AM:
Couple of points as usual: Arab rule did not last for seven centuries. By late 10th century CE many local dynasties were ruling Iran, so if we put the final defeat of Sassanids at 650 CE, the direct Arab rule lasted almost three hundred years. May be less. I have heard this allegation that Zoroastrianism was not organic and it died fast. Then it makes me wonder why up to Saljuk rule in Iran still the country side was firmly Zoroastrian, and why by the time of Mongol Khans conversion to Islam, in 12th century CE, still the number of Zoroastrians in Southern Iran was so significant that the equivalent of a crusade was declared to forcibly convert them? Islam became the majority religion in Iran (not in mesopotamia) and central Asia only after the Ilkhanid rule. Vast numbers of Zoroastrians, Budhists, Jews, and Christians lived in these lands.... [more at the permalink of the entry above]
Fravartish at July 25, 2004 09:14 AM:
Did Eswin claim that the Arab rule lasted for 7 centuries? The only thing that I have seen in his article is, and I quote, "In the 7th century Sassanid Persia fell to the conquering armies of Islam of Arabia".
An Iranian Student (AIS) at July 25, 2004 11:04 AM:
Medians were 'assimilated' because they were very near to Persians culturally and ethnicaly. The fact that Babylonia or Lydia, Ionia and Egypt which all were 'in the way of' Persian expansion all contniued in their own respective culutural and national heritage, that Cyrus the great even explains in detail how he brought the costums of Babylon back to their normal procedures, after the religious innovations of Nebunid the last Babylonian king, or the fact that the defeated Lydian king remaind as a political advisor in the Persian courts or the documents showing Xerxes perfoirming Egyptian rituals as Pharaohs all show that Persians were indeed keen on preserving the cultural and national identities of the lands they conquered. The Jewish revival is no exception and although it might seem normal, callinh Cyrus, who was not even an Israelite as the Lord's Messiah and savior in the Bible is extremely odd.... [more at the permalink of the entry above]
Darius at November 10, 2004 12:41 AM:
As the world's first international empire that had an area which included lands in Africa, the Middle East, India, Central Asia, and Europe the ancient Iranians where known for their tolerance and love of culture and art. They helped develop schools, state monoments, religious buildings (for many faiths, including the rebuilding of the Jewish temple of Jerusalem)and other forms of infrastructure. The first highway was build under Iranian rule along with the first organized mint, where money was issued. The world's first postal system was introduced, as well as standerdized weights and systems of measurement. Canals where build in the Fertile Cresent, eastern Greece (which was under Persian rule with more than two thirds of the Greek world), and Egypt. Even religions like Islam, Christianity, Jeudism, Hinduism, and Bah'ism talk about ancient Iran's religious tolerance. The United Nations even keeps a copy of an ancient declarition by a Cyrus... [more at the permalink of the entry above]
paymane at November 24, 2004 01:34 AM:
Friends, I appreciate what you all are doing here very very much. can I ask you to do me a favor? can any one who comments also introduce a reference so that people like me who want to know more can follow up on that. Thank you very much