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Comments on ‘Remembering July 9, 1999’
Ordak D. Coward at July 10, 2004 02:07 AM:
Any references to those unofficial reports claimng ten deaths (murders in fact)? Any clues to who they were?
An Iranian Student (AIS) at July 10, 2004 03:52 AM:
Thanks for keeping this alive, Babak. It is important that we look back now, with the benefit of hindsight and ask ourselves : who were those who hurried fully frightened to the scene the next morning and tried everything they had to calm (fool) the angry students and continued doing this for the following days until they managed to strangle down an ever growing and powerful public mass demonstration. Who were they? It is necessary to look back at the actions of Kahtami's gang and their false promises, to once again verify what happens when people trust a mullah and his circus again. What happened to the promises given to students, like the promise that the government will persue the case relentlessly until those cuplable are brought to justice? What should the people who knowingly decieved people in such critical point of time be called? incompetent? Nay. Treacherous? I... [more at the permalink of the entry above]
Babak S at July 10, 2004 05:22 AM:
Ordak: this is based on what I remember from the announcements of various student committees formed to follow up the news of the unrests in the days following the incidents and usually posted on different campuses or the newspapers. There may be references on the web too but I have not searched for them. AIS: You ask a very important question. The question and the answer to it are closely tied to the stance one takes regarding the reform movement. The events of 18 Tir happened only two years into the era known as "2 Khordad" (the day Khatami was first overwhelmingly elected as President). The idea was to continue with that program, there wasn't supposed to be a violant revolution, you see. So, calming people was justified based on that stance, at least then. Of course if one dismisses this and instead take the opposite view, everything would... [more at the permalink of the entry above]
Borghan N. Narajabad at July 10, 2004 06:51 AM:
According to official reports Ebrahim Ezzatnejad was killed by bullet, not by falling from window. You can find the final court decision here: http://www.hamshahri.org/hamnews/1380/800431/siasi.htm#siasi3 As long as I know, Ezzatnejad was the only fatal casualty of 18 Tir. (Even according to student organizations' survey after the incident) However, there were several other casualties, including the winner of third place in the Iranian university entrance exam (Konkor) in 1998(1377) who lost one of his eyes on 18 Tir. There are also some speculations about the casualties of Police's attack to the campus of Tehran University on July 11, 1999 (The first Monday after the incident. Your first photo (a boy carrying a girl) was taken on that day not 18 Tir) during students' protest following 18 Tir. However, no official report on the casualties of Monday's incident has been issued.
Babak S at July 10, 2004 04:06 PM:
Thanks for the clarifications Borghan. I should add that I did not really choose the first photo out of accuracy but effect and relevancy. Yes, Ezzat Ebrâhimnežâd was hit by a bullet, officially; I corrected the text. However, I would have appreciated it if you had also mentioned what this final court verdict was really about. I give a translation of your link here. (All emphasis is mine.) FROM- the newspaper Hamšahri, July 22, 2001. TITLE- The Revolutionary Court Closes The Case of the Tehran University's Victim. BODY- Tehran, IRNA. The 3rd branch of Tehran's Islamic Revolutionary Court suspended the prosecution of Ezzat Ebrâhimnežâd, the victim of the attacks on Tehran University dorms. The court's verdict stated the charges against Ebrâhimnežâd as endangering national security by participating in illegal gathering and demonstration leading to chaos, chanting slogans against the police, and throwing stones. Regarding the murder of the victim,... [more at the permalink of the entry above]
An Iranian Student (AIS) at July 10, 2004 06:23 PM:
Babak, My question is still valid if we take this stance you mentioned: "...The idea was to continue with that program (ie. peaceful gradual reform), there wasn't supposed to be a violant revolution..." Everybody, the heads of the 'reform' movement better than others, knew that the so called hardliners - those who were opposing gradual reform (I am using the view point of a hypothetical honest reformer here) were not willing to grant any kind of advantage and would prevent any kind of openning. (After all they knew each other well after all the years of joint fights against World-arrogance, Heresy and Imperialism or whatever) So it was clear that any step forward would be acheievd by pulling opportunities from bewteen the teeth of the 'hardliners' (As the Persian saying goes). So now we are faced with a foolish and extremly violent act by their thugs. This would have... [more at the permalink of the entry above]
Monika at July 19, 2004 07:04 PM:
Whatever it was, it brought a terrible consequence that still goes on each year now on 18th tir. Students are being hit arrested and no one knows for what reason. They want to brown off people. That’s all.
Shahram Azad at March 2, 2005 03:05 AM:
Hello Dear Brother and Sisters , please look some of my pictures that I took that time for some of news papers . feel free if you want to use them in any magazine or brochures that can help our Iran to be proud of Iranian. Please let me to know before and so I will be able to be proud of you 2. Regards, Shahram Azad http://www.chakaneh.com/Politics.htm
Pardis at July 9, 2005 03:25 PM:
Iranian events during the past 26 years shows clearly that our struggle with islamic regime is cultural and can not be solved through spontanous uprising. By "cultural" I mean we should go deep into Persian history and dig up our symbols and values and made out of them the instruments in this cultural fight. As long as we are desarmed from our symbols such as " Zarathustra, Cyrus the Great, Kaveh, Arash...Etc. and the islamists have their own symbols such as Koran, Imams...etc. we can not win.
Khalil at July 9, 2005 09:27 PM:
why should i care what you say?