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February 01, 2004

When MPs find their balls
Mehrad Vaezinejad  [info|posts]

After three weeks of sit-in protest in parliament, more than one hundred of reformist MPs submitted their resignation letter this morning.

"We will not compromise on the basic rights of our nation, that is, the right to freely choose and be chosen.'' Mohsen Mirdamadi, one of the leading reformist MPs said today.

After the letter was read out, all the resigning MPs stood in the center of the chamber to show their determination and solidarity. (View the picture here.)

This post was much longer last night but I thought it would be better to pull out the full story of the sit-in protest for now as the whole crisis has entered a new phase with the mass resignation. Ironically, the resignation has to be accepted by MPs while with about 120 MPs leaving the parliament (from total of 290 MPs) the Majlis might lose its legitimacy to make any decisions. It is too early to analyze the situation, yet it seems that this time both conservatives and reformists are engaged in a real dangerous game.

Any possible change in the apathic mood of society may affect the course of events. Khatami's reaction can be influential as well (at least for the ready-to-resign senior officials in government.) One should not forget, though, the probable outburst of God's will via his earth correspondent, Ayatollah Khamenei!

daanaa at February 1, 2004 10:09 AM [permalink]:

I would say that it is a very dangerous game for all participants. The ones who enter the game later has a greater chance to win.

Both khamenei and the mass of public have not entered the game yet. It might be far two early to say who is the potential winner.

I dare say if the situation ends in chaos it would be no winner.It might be to chaotic that all miss the game .

Despite some afforts I think the reasonable social structure -as a succesive for the present social structure and infrastructure for political system- indeed has not been provided.

Kaveh Kh. at February 1, 2004 10:20 AM [permalink]:

Mehrad, you shouldn't have omitted those parts of your post, it would still be good for the record: We should not just record the events, but also our feelings and how we understand them. This hidden half of history is maybe even more important.

Mehrdad at February 1, 2004 12:19 PM [permalink]:

Pigs on the wing.
By pink floyd:
If you didn't care what happened to me,
And I didn't care for you
We would zig zag our way through the boredom and pain.
Occasionally glancing up through the rain
Wondering which of the buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing.
You know that I care what happens to you
And I know that you care for me
So I don't feel alone
Of the weight of the stone
Now that I've found somewhere safe
To bury my bone
And any fool knows a dog needs a home

King Kong at February 1, 2004 01:06 PM [permalink]:

Well isn't this nice? Too bad they're only doing it because they'll soon be unemployed anyway. Maybe if they did this when the akhunds were beating and arresting all of their supporters people might care.

An Iranian Student (AIS) at February 1, 2004 01:55 PM [permalink]:

Well, they now can keep some of their lost aberu because they know damn well that if all the participants were accepted by the Guardian Council, still people would have boycotted the elections. So I guess they are thanking the Guradian zoo in their hearts. But still a sign of last minute 'courage' is better than none I guess, though I am not sure of that either. What are the other 200 MPs doing still clinging to their petty power?
A mass resignation of all the Parliament and the executive force could lead to somewhere, if not the microphone of God will have the upperhand. Especially with the despicable policy of Americans in engaging in talks with these animals. Shame, REAL SHAME to the Americans if they want to go through with this! They should really be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately it is the state department and some wacko MPs who are doing this....(sigh)

"One should not forget, though, the probable outburst of God's will via his earth correspondent, Ayatollah Khamenei!"

LOL, now that was cool! :)

King Kong at February 1, 2004 02:21 PM [permalink]:

I think the Americans are discouraged about the chances for any reform now, from inside or outside. They provided a lot of moral support during the protests last year but the akhunds cracked down and nothing much was accomplished. At this point I think the Americans are thinking that if the people aren't going to bring change, they might as well cut a deal with the government. The only other option would be invading and I don't think they want to do that. But it's still bad timing. They should at least wait until the "elections" are done.

Wessie at February 1, 2004 05:24 PM [permalink]:

You know AIS, it is very, very tiresome for Americans to be damned for engaging with the ME/Muslims and damned for not doing so.

Please make up your minds! We are very tired of ALWAYS being wrong no matter what we do. Muslims want the US to "do something" or they want us to leave them alone.

And to be honest, the average Joe American doesn't give a damn what you all do in your part of the world because it seems you NEVER get anywhere. We have our own problems with 43 million uninsured, 3 million unemployed and a deficit of 1 trillion and counting.

Why don't you all fix your own problems instead of expecting us to do something?


reza at February 1, 2004 08:48 PM [permalink]:

-Guardian zoo is a very good name for shoraye negahban. Let's use it consistently.

-It's wrong not to support and encourage MPs at this time. There is no question that most of the current MPs haven't been all that great, but ordinary people become great people when they are encouraged for their rare great actions.

-I don't find it too bad that MPs are doing something now that they are about to be unemployed anyway. We should let people act in favor of democracy for any reason they want: some for idealogical reasons, some to remain employed. Will be great if we can make the residents of the Guardian Zoo think that free elections is good for them.

Señor Græd at February 2, 2004 12:14 PM [permalink]:

"When MPs find their balls"

If by the word "ball" you mean 'testicle', you should note that some of the MPs are female.

Kaveh Kh. at February 2, 2004 12:33 PM [permalink]:

Senior, you're a rhetorical monster!

Señor Græd at February 2, 2004 12:40 PM [permalink]:

KKh: I take that as a compliment. :-)

Señor Græd at February 2, 2004 12:47 PM [permalink]:

Now I see why there's no picture for this post. (Imagine what a picture would be like: A bunch of hairy guys trying to find their, well, you know.)

Wessie at February 2, 2004 01:04 PM [permalink]:

Let's see if the posting police have the cojones to leave both of your "rule breaking" posts. ;-)

Cojones Test:

Señor Græd at February 2, 2004 01:30 PM [permalink]:

My irrelevancies are one line long. I'm not in the business of writing a book online. I'm listening to this, please do not interrupt:

Wessie at February 2, 2004 01:56 PM [permalink]:

I see three lines above. LOL

Again we observe that it is all very biased. Irrelevancies and bigotries as well as attacks by Iranians or MEasterners get left up.

You have to read a real book in order to be able to write one, Senior. Thesis and Dissertation work do not count. They are written to gather dust.

Can't "listen" and look at the computer at the same time, huh? ;-)

Wessie at February 2, 2004 02:09 PM [permalink]:

I have questions. Seriously!

How do those mullahs, especially the balding ones, keep the little pots on their heads?

I know Sikhs have a little string to tie their beautiful turbans on. How about the mullahs?

Also, why do some wear black and others white?

What material are they made of?

Do they re-tie them every day or are they more like a hat?

Señor Græd at February 2, 2004 02:12 PM [permalink]:

There's only one way to find out: Marry one and he'll teach you all the tricks the first night.

Ramezoon Yakhi at February 2, 2004 02:40 PM [permalink]:

Once again the comedians have come out. although i have to admit that last one jab is funny. but back to the main business.

i really wonder what the true motivation behind the action of these MP's and Khatami himself is. I really think it's done partially to save face. And i really really worry that in the end doing something like might come out to a worse end than otherwise.

i think we can only tell of the motivation of all the participating parties by the final result.

Wessie at February 2, 2004 02:40 PM [permalink]:

A fate worse than death, marrying any sort of ultra religious hypocrite—especially a miserable Muslim who doesn't believe in life's joys. @:^(

Think I'd rather eat worms!

Do they leave the pot and the socks on the "first" night? ;-)

Speaking of "tricks."

". . .The exposure of sex slave networks in Iran has shown that many mullahs and officials are involved in the sexual exploitation and trade of women and girls. Women report that in order to have a judge approve a divorce they have to have sex with him. Women who are arrested for prostitution say they must have sex with the arresting officer. There are reports of police locating young women for sex for the wealthy and powerful mullahs. . . "

Ramezoon Yakhi at February 2, 2004 02:41 PM [permalink]:

i doubt if muslims are any worse than catholics for example when it comes to 'appreciating the joys of life'.

Wessie at February 2, 2004 02:55 PM [permalink]:

"i doubt if muslims are any worse than catholics for example when it comes to 'appreciating the joys of life'."

Well, Ramezoon, not too many Catholics are anti music or into suicide jihad or murdering the "other." Although they are often rather hung-up about sex. That is why most Catholics are not really strict these days—even in "Catholic" countries like Italy where the pleasures of life are what it is all about: Food, art, music, clothes, love, watching unveiled, beautiful women from cafes, etc.

Then there are other Latin countries such as Spain who are big into the pleasures of life—not to mention Southern Germany where they really know how to party and the beer and wine flow.

Now, there are Christians who are anti-music, anti-modernity, anti-education and keep their women "modestly" dressed such as the Amish. But, they are considered hypocrites, like Muslims. And their children are leaving the "faith" in droves.

I'll take the Catholic pleasures of life any day! ;-)

Señor Græd at February 4, 2004 11:34 AM [permalink]:

The way BBC Persian has worded the title of its top story today (a loose translation would be: The Supreme Leader opposed the Majlis election to be held in a later date and [therefore?] the MPs are going to finish their sit-in.) it seems that MPs have no choice but to sheepishly obey to what the Chief orders to. Conclusion: No balls yet. :-(

T.Patrick at February 20, 2004 09:51 AM [permalink]:

Interesting debate. As an American I have a smoewhat limited understanding of your countries internal politics. However, unless the reform movement starts speaking out more forcefully you are doomed to be ruled by religious despots. I understand overthrowing the Shah. When will you develop the courage to overthrow these despots who are no better. Either way it works out best of luck.